Cheap battery mod save 5-6 pounds

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  1. SaratogaLED

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    The Lithium Iron batteries are getting cheap. I put the 1.25 pounder in the 1000RR and the 2 pounder in my wife's Civic. Starts both with ease so far. I left my bike sitting for about 2 months and it fired right up. The battery recharges in less than 2 minutes after starting the bike.

    $73, weighs 1.25 pounds

    $100, weighs 2 pounds


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    I followed Doug's example and grabbed a MikeyMoto style rear rotor, although this one is the ebay version, weighs in at exactly 1 pound. That will shave off .75 pounds of rotating unsprung driveline weight which is worth ~8 pound sprung weight?

    ~$70 shipped

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    I didn't realize those lithium batteries were getting so cheap. I was looking at one for my race boat a couple years ago and it was more like 150-200 bucks. That's awesome.
     
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    Kind of funny that they are cheaper than stock lead batteries, same for the Civic, and 25 pounds lighter for what its worth. Hopefully they will hold up for a few years at least.
     
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    I should do the rear rotor mod on my sv.
     
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    I know in cars you can buy adapters or whatever if the battery is too small...etc...but how do bikes work? I probably need to get one anyway for my KLR and wouldn't mind losing a couple of pounds on the Vulcan S.

    EDIT: Or are these built the same size, just due to the materials alone are lighter? In that case, disregard my comment.
     
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    You find one that fits, they're just light as fuck.
     
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    I had it on my wish list for years lol
     
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    My bike had the Yuasa YTZ7S stock and the WPS HJTZ7S lithium was a perfect fit and it fit under the stock rubber strap. But for the car the lithium battery was way too small so I strapped it down with zip ties and I had to adapt the battery post terminals to a ring terminal.

    It is worth mentioning that the $99 battery can start the civic easily, but it has small capacity relative to the stock battery for listening to the radio etc.
     
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    Don't they need a special charger too? I just bought a battery tender to keep my batteries fresh but I think the lithium ones require a different tender
     
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    Well, they don't make one for sv, just gixxer.
     
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    It does seem that normal 12V trickle chargers dont give 12V LiFe batteries a full top off, but the bike itself will. The upside is these batteries should not need a trickle charger and should hold their charge all winter and fire right up in the spring. If your bike uses a lot of standby power you could disconnect the negative terminal during the winter.

    If you need to revive a dead 12V LiFe battery, one option is to start your car or bike and hook up jumper cables to the lithium. You can do it in increments if you are concerned about overheating it. Or you can buy a small 12V LiFePO4 charger.
     
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    I have had my Lithium battery for over two years. Only thing I have done is disconnect and bring in the house during the winter. I do have a trickle charger set up and plug it in from time to time during riding season. SaratogaLED, you forgot to mention the pimp factor of the rear rotor! :)
     
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    I never trickle charge the MOTY battery, but I only it use it on my race bike. Battery holds its charge during the whole winter storing it in my house. voltage measure the same from the day I pull it out of the bike to the day I put it back in.

    The one one time I have to charge it was I accidentally left the transponder on and it drained the battery to the point that It won't start the bike, I revived it just by charging it with my 1.5A trickle charger at 10 mins increment and measure the voltage in between.

    As a street bike battery, IMO, it is not as robust as a AGM; you will have to monitor the battery closely. Also I won't recommend simply hooking it up to a trickle charge and just walk away and let it cook. If you've seen how violent when mobile phone battery igniting on YT, now imagine a battery that is the size of a brick.
     
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    I found a Craigslist deal on 2008 CBR600RR had to grab it so I could compare 600RR vs 1000RR. First thing I noticed is the 600RR battery is a size 10 and weighs 3310g (7.3 lbs). So I got a size 5 WPS lithium off ebay for $65 and it starts the bike no problem. The size 5 lithium weighs 481g (1.06 lbs) so that is a weight savings of 6.23 lbs.

    I also grabbed the Mikeymoto style rear rotor off ebay for $60 (451g), stock rotor weighed 810g saved 359g (.8 lbs)

    So far 600RR is under 370 lbs with a gallon of fuel, fun to ride but has noisy valve train so I have to check that out this winter. I will probably do the 520 conversion -1, +1 and experiment with single brake setup to see how the bike will feel, but ultmately going to sell it and keep the 1000. The mid range torque of the 1000 is damn fun for street riding.
     

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    I also came across a deal on a new old stock BST front rim for the 1000RR. It saved 2.6 pounds versus the stock rim and I was able to mount it by hand. I did use levers to get the last 12" of tire onto the rim but I used every trick in the book and took my time. The bike feels great with the carbon rim it really freed up the front end.
     

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    Finally got around to installing the FMF slip on for the 1000RR. It took 8 pounds off the bike and not too terribly loud. The 1000RR is now 385 LBS with 1 gallon in it.

    Because I have the zbomb installed I had to wait for ECU flash before I could install the slip on. I had North Texas Superbikes (MonkeyMoto) do the flash for $185 but in retrospect I should have gone with Danos for $190. You can get your own kit to do the flash from Woolich for $384 and just put the EU map on there but hopefully they did some additional tweaking for the FMF and gutted intake.

    The ECU flash saves some weight since you can run without Power Commander or Bazzazz ZFi unit. It allows you to disable and remove the exhaust servo motor and cables (~.75 lbs). I was able to remove the Zbomb and disable/remove the PAIR system (will uninstall that this winter.)

    You could use the flashed ECU as a base map and have a dyno tuner flash on a custom map OR install Bazzaz ZFi + ZAFM autotune if you fab up an 18mm O2 sensor bung. For now I am just running with the mail order map and I have no complaints.
     

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